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Franklin County Federation of Fish and Game Clubs Minutes


Franklin County Federation of Fish and Game Clubs Minutes

When: Tuesday, March 20, 2018

Where:  Meeting held @ Packbasket

Address:  781 NY-86, Gabriels, NY 12939


Meeting called to order      7:00 p.m. by President Ray McIntosh

A Pledge of Allegiance was said

Roll Call:

Alexander MacDonald -     0                 

Best Club -                        0                

Chateaugay -                     1                 

Malone -                             2                

Saranac Lake -                  3                 

Tupper Lake -                    2                

Bill Gutersloh made a motion to accept the Secretary’s Report and  Bruce Charland seconded. 

Theresa Trudell presented no Treasurer’s Report although the following was mentioned:

The NYS Conservation Councils spring meeting is March 30th.  There is a $30 registration fee required for each individual attending; Ray McIntosh, Bob Brown, and Mark Holt will be attending from the Franklin County Federation for a total cost of $90.  Mike Savage made the motion to accept the $90 expenditures and  Bill Gutersloh seconded.

Legislative Report: See attached information Bob Brown presented for Legislative Report (regarding the Archery Bill).

Old Business:  The quiver was presented at the Malone Fish & Game Club and they were positive about the idea and thought it would be a great idea to raffle at each club along with the fair.  The Quiver to be raffled off will be at the Tupper Lake Rod and Gun Club for the next 30 days.  Clubs can submit nominations to the club representatives for the Nellie Staves Award.  Important to acknowledge members or community while they are alive how much we appreciate what they contribute. Nominations need to be in by July and in August plague comes back to have engraving  done along with the individual plague.

The motor for the Fish & Game Club Building at the fairgrounds is at Sullivans but not installed yet. 

New Business:  Bob Hudak, a Member of Tri-Lake Trout Unlimited was invited to attend.  He discussed the Catch and Release Section between the Upper Flat Rock Road and Cargin Bridge on Cargin Road (also known as Bedore Bridge) of the Salmon River fish habitat on the following points:  He started off stating that a lot of spring water from the banks & good water temperatures that are conducive throughout the year that are needed for fish to thrive make this an ideal area.  In the past, stocking was mostly at bridges but for a few years a deal was worked out to stock at various points via private roads causing fishing to improve in this area.  Eventually this type of stocking stopped and the fishing deteriorate.  Eventually received approval for catch and release stocking with a state truck and the fishing was  again outstanding that year.  The following year this section was not stocked because we went down a wrong road and got stuck and the new DEC stocking truck was too big to travel the road that time of year.  During the last two years, stocking was not done and one could see the difference.  Currently, no resolution is in place to get in there. 

The second reason I have an interest in this area of the river is that wild trout were caught including brook trout but the wild fish went away.  One causes realized is that the stream they were spawning in was blocked by a beaver dam.  This is a good stream to spawn in for brook trout, rainbows, and brown trout.  Also, two large springs one with surface water and the other with seepage would play a big part in trying to reestablishing spawning habitat.

Bob indicated two areas he wanted to place attention too

·        Level One - find a way to stock fish in the Catch and Release Section of the river.

·        Level Two - survey those sites with a biologist and determine what is worth doing.

Jennifer Okonuk, DEC asked Bob Hudak if he know the individuals who own the land where the dams are located and he indicated he did.  Okonuk said that it is not difficult to get beaver permits to remove beaver dams.  John Fiore and Bob Hudak have had ongoing conversations and John indicated that we were not going to be able to get a DEC truck in there or a private stocking truck against DEC regulations. 

Bob Hudak expressed an interest in talking to us along with the Malone Revitalization Foundation and see if there are solutions and whether other people will support and help and if a group of people would make a difference or not.

Bob Brown shared the point that he did not see a problem in fish stocking this area as we can easily provide the man power.  He indicated that he had easily walked a two miles stretch of the river and found it not a hard walk and easy access.  He stated that we might have to carry buckets, use other means of transportation (personal vehicles, ATV’s, UTV’s).  Bob Brown expressed the importance of stocking the Catch and Release section of the river the way it needs to be stocked.  He posed the question - can we rent that truck in Chateaugay and have someone like Jennifer Okonuk accompany the stocking?  John Fiore stated this can’t be done due to DEC procedures as they are worried that they will die on the way. Bob Brown disagreed with the fact that you can’t take them any further with private vehicles.  We have done it before by hand and private truck stocking works.  Ray McIntosh asked Bob Brown if he was going to talk to Lance Durfey, Regional Fisheries Manager @ Raybrook about loading the fish onto private vehicle from the normal dump spot and the possibility of using personal vehicles.    

John Fiore, Biologist @ Raybrook spoke on the spring brooks and streams that flow into the Catch and Release section of the Salmon River and felt that even if you have seepage they will find the cooler ground water and spawn there.  When it came to the stocking of fish we couldn’t walk them a half mile much less two miles because the fish wouldn’t live that long.  Also, the idea of using private individuals or vehicles without receiving DEC approval is not likely to transpire.  Thus, Mark Holt asked John Fiore if there are any permits we could obtain to get a private truck from Chat. Fish Hatchery.  Not that he was aware of but maybe Lance Durfey could provide a special permit to make that happen.  John Fiore felt they stock the streams quite adequate in that section.  Mid to late May to stock fish is the anticipated dates.

John Fiore indicated that surveys have shown that where you stock a trout they will move over at least two miles overnight in order to find a spot they like.  The regional fish manager in Albany is not supportive of non-DEC personnel being handed over fish directly.

Each year from approx. April 20 – May, different trout where stocked separately.   John said that surveys operate on a three year federal-aid cycle.  He is going to ask for a survey on this section of the river on the next cycle.

Dan Tower had shared with the Malone Fish and Game Club at their monthly meeting in March and the members had positive feedback and definitely willing to be a part of this endeavor of restocking.  Dan emphasized the importance of making an attempt to have other drop sites besides the bridge locations.  Dan requested that we be notified when and where so that he could have time to share with club members.

Bob Hudak concluded the topic of the catch and release by sharing the fact that the Malone Revitalization Foundation buys trout from Laurellea Farms in Gouverneur annually.

Jennifer Okonuk shared that she is the Secretary of the NYS Conservation Officers Association and the fact that this association supports conservation clubs. They donate monies for good causes such as youth turkey hunts, fishing derbies. etc.  Clubs can complete an application request on line or by contacting Jennifer.  She suggested emailing Conservation Lt. Michael Phelps about conservation officers coming to the monthly federation meetings.

Attached is a flyer for NY Bowhunters, 27th Annual Banquet & Rendezvous on Saturday, May 5, 2018 in Greenville, NY.  Lastly, Malone Hunter Sportsmen’s Education was set for Saturday, March 23rd.  The Chateaugay Fish and Game Club have a sportsmen’s education class coming up in April – any questions call Jim Glennon @ (518) 497-6863.  Also, Tupper Lake Rod and Gun Club will be having an open house March 23-24, 2018.  Bob Brown mentioned about a hunter instructor recertification renewal class coming up.

Where to meet next – Tuesday, April 17, 2018 @ 6 p.m. for dinner followed by the meeting @ 7 p.m. @  Packbasket, 781 NY-86, Gabriel, NY 12939                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Motion to Adjourn – Bill Gutersloh and seconded by Frank Jessie.

Minutes submitted by Dan Tower (Federation Secretary

Attached an email from Bob Brown on Gun Control Legislative Activity that was not a part of the official meeting.






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